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Lexxor · Nov 28, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Guild Wars, not Grind Wars. The original idea with Guild Wars was to promote skills and not endless hours of grinding. Someone playing 1 hour a day should be able to enjoy the game as much as someone playing 8 hours a day.

Add a common PVE Attribute that any profession can access and invest attribute points in. Mix it with a limited grinding only. For example:

Grinding to max attribute 5, attribute points to max 10.

the Puppeteer · Nov 28, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

you don't need to use the pve skills

Sleeper Service · Nov 28, 2007, 11:16 AM // 11:16

pve skills that require attribute points?

BlackSephir · Nov 28, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Puppeteer

you don't need to use the pve skills

You don't even need to use any skills at all.
Shocker, no?

Lexxor · Nov 28, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

*Shocked*
And soon someone tells us we don't even have to play the game

BlackSephir · Nov 28, 2007, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexxor

*Shocked*
And soon someone tells us we don't even have to play the game

Sure we don't. Playing the game you paid for is, y'know, optional ;d

milan · Nov 28, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

/unsigned

The skills can be used with low levels in the rank track.

Darkhell153 · Nov 28, 2007, 01:20 PM // 13:20

/unsigned

same reason as milan xD

JeniM · Nov 28, 2007, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexxor

Someone playing 1 hour a day should be able to enjoy the game as much as someone playing 8 hours a day.

I play less than 1hour per day and i'm pretty sure I don't have less fun than someone that plays 8 hours a day
I don't see why you have to have max damage PvE skills to have fun, i realy realy don't follow this thread at all

freekedoutfish · Nov 28, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Puppeteer

you don't need to use the pve skills

I second that, and ive said the same thing in the endless number of posts winging about pve only skill + titles.

You dont need to use pve only skills.

They do nothing except spice things up a bit. You have 100s of alternatives skills to use. You only want your pve only skills maxed out easier because their more powerfull. It has nothing to do with need, its all want.

I dont even have all the pve only skills because I dislike polymock and I cant beat the norn tournament. Do you see me winging and making statements like im disadvantages because of it. Nope!

If you want your pve only skills maxed then work for it, otherwise make do or dont use them. You dont need them to progress.

Cebe · Nov 28, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexxor

Someone playing 1 hour a day should be able to enjoy the game as much as someone playing 8 hours a day.

I for one don't play this game purely because there are PvE skills.

I would enjoy the game by playing 1 hour a day as much as someone playing 8 hours a day, because I accept that working to make PvE skills better is part of the game. As such, if you don't enjoy working for them however long it may take you why do you play?

Most PvE skills are perfectly usable at Rank 0/Rank 1 anyway...usually anything on top is a bonus.

tmr819 · Nov 28, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Puppeteer

you don't need to use the pve skills

No, but I think they make the game more accessible and more enjoyable in many ways. Players without some rank in these skills are at a disadvantage.

However, I disagree with the OP.

Casual players play essentially the same game that more dedicated gamers play, it just takes them longer. Well, so what?

GW's game/pve skill system is NOT unfair to casual players: the same rules apply to everyone. How long it takes you to achieve what you want is entirely your choice. If you put in the time, you reap the benefits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexxor

Someone playing 1 hour a day should be able to enjoy the game as much as someone playing 8 hours a day.

Your point being what? I often play for very small amounts of time. I am having every bit as much fun as someone playing 8 hours a day. I am not at the level of other players who have more time, in terms of pve rank and skills, but, well, that's only fair because they put in the time to get there and I haven't (yet).

My advice: Go at your own pace and enjoy the game for what it is. The question is not whether Person A is having more fun than you but whether YOU are having fun. If the answer is no, then find another game.

Snow Bunny · Nov 28, 2007, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Yeah, the skills make very little difference. Unless you're Racthoh sitting there spamming SY (TNTF too?) there's really no need for the pve skills or a high rank in their attributes.

But goodness knows BlackSephir will argue till the end of days for this kind of BS.

Shadow Spirit · Nov 28, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmr819

The question is not whether Person A is having more fun than you but whether YOU are having fun. If the answer is no, then find another game.

QFT.

Too many threads complaining about the game being boring/not fun/not rewarding. The reward for playing a game is fun. If you're not having it, there are other games and even, you know, a whole real world outside with things to do.

BlackSephir · Nov 28, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

But goodness knows BlackSephir will argue till the end of days for this kind of BS.

Yes, I will be a pain in ur ass :<

Isileth · Nov 28, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

While I dont think this idea is the best way to deal with the issue.
I do agree that something needs to be done about time>skill.

Pyro maniac · Nov 28, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexxor

The original idea with Guild Wars was to promote skills and not endless hours of grinding.

It still is, for PvP (well, excluding fotm builds)

PvE was and still is in no way comparable to competitive

you grind for your armors, you grind for other titles, why not for some skills. If you don't want to, fine. PvE is still easy without them

Isileth · Nov 28, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Actually Pyro GW PvE as well as PvP is advertised as skill>time.

You also dont need to grind for armor, the only difference between the max AL armour is the appearance.
And the other titles dont grant ingame advantages for grinding them.

I have no problem with grind titles that dont give advantages, if people want to max them thats great. But when they offer an advantage, thats when the problem occours.

GW is advertised as a game where skill>time, offering advantages based on grinding titles is not skill>time.

As for you dont need them. Of course you dont.

You also dont need max weapons.
You dont need max armor.

But if you capped max armor until someone reached max rank in a title im sure you can see how its a problem.
It doesnt matter that you dont need it, what matters is there is a disadvantage for those that dont want to grind in a game that advertises skill>time.

A11Eur0 · Nov 28, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

People with R10 norn don't do too much more damage with UB than people with R5 norn. Saying you want only R8 and up is just stupid because a good player who knows the area and aggroes correctly is better than an R9 player new to the area and aggroes everything in sight. That's only a simple example.

the skills dont have huge spreads in effect depending on the title rank...and those that do have caps anyway. (pain inverter...caps at 80 damage per so bosses aren't being hit for 8973408023823 damage)

Biostem · Nov 28, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Whether you play 1 hour or 8 hours a day, the moment logging on feels like a chore, then you need to stop and reevaluate things. Take a break, walk around, visit w/ friends, and maybe pick up a new game.

No game can entertain someone forever - people tend to get bored, eventually.

I would suggest taking a break, and also bear in mind that we are unlikely to see any large-scale changes to GW1 at this point.

The only grind is what you make of it.